Devisme double rifle

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Devisme double rifle

Messagepar jbw » mer. 25 avr. 2018 17:36

Sorry for writing in english, don't understand french very well, I'm danish.
A friend has a double lefaucheux rifle in 16 bore, made by Devisme of Paris, we would like to know a little more about him, know that he was famous.
We have never seen a 16 bore lefaucheux rifle cartridge, and have not been able to find anything on the internet.
He would like to take it out for a hunt, just once
How did the cartridge look?
How did the bullet look?
How much powder did it contain?
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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar Lefaucheux » mer. 25 avr. 2018 19:22

Hello
English is not a great problem ...
It's a Lefaucheux when his name or proofmark is marked on it .... the Lefaucheux underlever does not mean it's a Lefaucheux rifle or shotgun .
Show us the proofmarks, on the breech, under the barrels, on the side locks, anywhere ... it will help us to identify the period and eventuelly the makers .
We need more details

A cartridge looks like this ....

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Eugène L . :ugeek:

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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar jbw » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 14:26

Ok then, I was of the understanding, that Lefaucheux referred to the system.
This is a pinfire double rifle, made by Devisme of Paris. A 16 bore shotgun cartridge fits the chamber, but it is a rifle. Bullet would be around 18,1(+) mm of diameter (debt of rifling), chamber is 70,4 mm long. with that size, it could be rather powerfull.
I am searching info about the cartridge
Will return with pictures of proof marks later

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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar Lefaucheux » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 14:35

In that case ask Aaron Newcomer, he is a real spécialiste about pinfire cartridges
He is member on the site under the name « Aaron ».

You can also have a look at his site

www.FreeMyCollection.com

Eugène L :ugeek:

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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar Aaron » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 17:18

Do you have a 14g shotshell you can try? That would be about the right mm on the bore end.

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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar jbw » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 17:48

Do not have a 14 gage, but a 16 gage fits. I had seen http://www.freemycollection.com/, but, like most others, it stops at 15 mm. Aarons page looks interesting
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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar Lefaucheux » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 18:19

The DV in an oval with a crown under de barrels is the proofmark of Devisme in Paris
On the breech there are some numbers 1881 or 1861 (?) if it's 1861 it could be the year...

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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar Aaron » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 18:23

jbw a écrit :
jeu. 26 avr. 2018 17:48
Do not have a 14 gage, but a 16 gage fits. I had seen http://www.freemycollection.com/, but, like most others, it stops at 15 mm. Aarons page looks interesting
It does not take an "18mm cartridge." There is no such thing. It takes a 16g or 14g or something shotshell with a ball or slug like shown above.

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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar fusilabroche » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 20:00

Hello,

this shotgun is rare. Pinfire shotgun with rifled barrel are rare. It's the first shotgun with double octogonal barrel what I see. It's very interesting . At the time,peron who want to buy this shotgun would be rich...
I think it was made about 1850

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Re: Devisme double rifle

Messagepar fullchoke » jeu. 26 avr. 2018 21:40

Bonsoir,

La date de fabrication est certainement 1861, puisque Devisme était mort en 1881.
J'ai un fusil à percussion de Devisme qui est daté AN 1838.
Pour ce qui est de la cartouche, ce peut être une douille en carton ou en laiton, où l'épaisseur de paroi n'est pas la même.
A chambre égale, avec une douille en laiton, le calibre est plus fort.
Dans l'ouvrage de Maurice Cottaz, il y a (fig 286) un fusil express à broche rayé signé Devisme.
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